Think Small
Church doesn’t need to be bigger… it needs to be smaller.
MUCH SMALLER.
God’s been blowing my mind with some stuff lately. Everything from Alan Hirsch’s book “The forgotten ways” to “Clusters” by Mike Breen, to “the rabbit and the elephant” (Barna’s latest book).
This is basically it… small is where God’s at… not big. It doesn’t mean we don’t want thousands of people affected by our church. NO it’s the opposite… we want multiple thousands. However, we don’t want a bigger crowd. We more activated disciples. Big events require big leaders. They require strong character. The demand the ability to handle big pressure.
But small… well that’s another story. What if instead of trying to attract a thousand people and be lucky if we get 10 to stick around let’s go after 5 ( maybe group them with 5 strong people) talk about something that’s interesting (maybe football or deer hunting) have a little meal, ask some questions about God and what’s going on in our lives. Give some room for some wonder, some work, some word, and some worship (not trying to recreate a service) … but just room for some honest wrestling by all the participants. And let’s get 3 of the 5 if not more … that’s a lot better percentage.
The great thing… avg joe can do this. Yeah they don’t have to have leadership skills. They don’t have to be amazing communicators, they just have to be friendly. Have to be real. And have to be willing to open up their mouth and invite a friend to come hang out and do something of mutual interest.
What if instead of doing “outreaches” or trying to attract hundreds of people into an establishment that many are disenfranchised with we went to where they are, did what they do, hung out where they hung out, and then told them about a God who wants to do the same things. I’m not talking about radical evangelism, I’m talking about telling people about the good news. You don’t have to be poor, here’s how God got me out of being poor. You don’t have to be sick, someone laid hands on me to get healed… I can do the same for you.
Wait this is eerily similar to what Jesus did… and what the new testament church was. SCARY!
I’m not saying do away with organized and structured discipleship through weekend events, I’m simply saying that real ministry will never be found inside the 4 walls because inside the 4 walls is meant for saints not sinners.
Somewhere there’s gotta be a place for saints to reach sinners. I don’t want a church that attracts sinners (the purpose of the church is to perfect saints)… but I do want a church of saints that is attracted to sinners because of the Love God has shed abroad in their hearts.
Can you think smaller? Can you think teeny tiny? If not we might be stuck in a cycles with no way out. Somebody has gotta get smaller to get bigger!
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HALT
Hungry, Angry, Lonely, Tired.
We’ve all been there. We’ve all done that. We’ve all got the t-shirt.
There is nothing more painful than when we are in the HALT position. In fact, that’s a part of why you haven’t seen a blog from me in a week or so. I don’t like to respond to people when I am in HALT position. I tend to respond out of the reality of my soul when I’m in a HALT position.
That can be bad for dealing with people. But that is the PERFECT place to respond to God.
See I don’t think HALT should limit us, I think it should equip us. When we get to the HALT position we tend to get REAL. It’s in that place that we ask the questions no one else will ask, it’s the time we admit the emotions we usually cover up, it’s that moment when we finally get down and cry out and say “HEY GOD!!!! I GOT SOME ISSUES WITH YOU!”
I don’t believe HALT has to be the only place that we learn, but rather than seeing HALT as the primary place for the devil to kick you, look at it as the primary place for God to heal you! It’s in that place that you recognize that HE is God and you AREN’T!
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More on the conundrum.
My post from last week on the Leadership Conundrum was heartfelt and I suggest if you didn’t check it out that you read over it before you read this one.
The challenge with being yourself… is that yourself is flawed. My soul’s nature is to sin (it’s what it was taught by my dead spirit before Christ). (sidenote: Sin is not just an action… sin is a state of being… here’s my definition of Sin: Anything that resists immediately acting on the promptings and urgings of Christ in you).
So if I’m flawed then being myself means that I’m going to mess up. I’m going to miss it. There will be times that I think I’m following Christ that instead I’m following my emotions. I’m not perfect yet…. surprise surprise surprise.
So what do we do … when being OURSELF is wrong? Well this is how i have to view it. God’s a big God. He put me in the position that I’m in. Therefore He is bigger than my sin. He is bigger than my mistakes. He’s bigger than my bad judgement. Because of that HE is able to make ALL THINGS (even my mess ups) work together for our good.
So there are 3 things about being yourself that you need to know.
1. You still need to grow. Be yourself, be confident in your action, but then evaluate and make room for growth. Search for the why behind the what. There are times I jump into the middle of a situation and act on a prompting (whether from God or my dumb sinful soul) and no matter what I act decisively and act confidently. However, when I’m done, I think search for understanding or the WHY behind what I just did. If I can trace the root back to Christ… then I don’t care if it fit a proper leadership method or a perfect way of “Treating people” I’m confident and I forget about it. However, if I just trace it back to my insecurity… then I need to repent for the part of me that had a sinful and wrong mindset and change.
2. Don’t qualify action for your defense. In other words, there are ways that I could justify almost everything i do as being “Christ”…. however, it takes really getting real with yourself, surrounding yourself with people who will ask you the tough questions, and challenging your decisions to discern whether you acted on Christ or emotion. I can even do a right thing for a wrong reason and it’s still sin. Therefore, it’s important that we get REAL with WHY we did something… not just try to “justify” why we did something.
3. Re-read 1 and 2. Because if you think you’ve still got it all figured out… then you are overconfident and there is some pride and sin raising it’s ugly head.
Hebrews 12 says “lay aside every weight of sin that does so easily beset us and run with patience the race that is set before us!” Sin comes “easy”. Of course laying it to the side is easy too… you just have to be willing to do it!
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The Leadership Conundrum
Danged if you do…. and Danged if you don’t.
Too hands on you’re a bull in a china shop, you’re a dictator, you’re a control freak.
Too hands off and you’re a bad leader, you don’t care, you settle for mediocrity, you’re aloof, people feel like they aren’t being led.
It seems like there should be a middle ground, the only problem I’ve found is that the middle ground is more like a razorwire fence and people always take you on one side of it or the other.
So what do we do. I think it was shakespeare that said “to thine ownself be true”. It comes down to this point… I just gotta be me. Like it, lump it, or leave it. I is who I is, cause if I try to be who I ain’t then who I is ain’t who I is.
Leadership isn’t a standard. It’s not a set method of reacting that always results in a win. It’s being true to your convictions, your decisions, your heart… and trusting God that He’s bigger than you’re mistakes.
It’s a lonely path, cause some will view you as a dictator and a bull in a china shop everytime. Others will think you’re too hands off and say you don’t care enough to wrestle with them. But I’m not out to please them. I’m out to please God. If I’m true to the promptings and urgings of Holy Ghost in me… that’s the measure of my leadership. Leadership isn’t even always about following and making sure people follow. Sometimes people won’t follow, and you’ll still be a leader. Scratch that … maybe you’ll be a horrible leader, but you’ll be true to what God prompted you to do. Leadership isn’t everything, following Christ in you is. I’ll chose Christ over leadership… and let you sort out the problems with it.
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First and Foremost
Back from catalyst… I feel like I have 10 years of information to share. But I want to start with the most important thing I heard all week.
“Sin is not an action, Sin is any part of your that resists the promptings and urgings of the Holy Spirit and His Leadership in our lives”
The 5 gifts are given to GET THE SIN OUT! Not to make us “better people” but to make us PERFECT in HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS … and to help us live a life of repentance, forgiveness, and reconciliation that magnifies the power of God and targets the sinful nature of our soul!
Short and sweet… but definitely a game changer.
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Covenant and Kingdom Lens
I’ve covered in this blog before how God only has 2 purposes throughout the word. Covenant and Kingdom. Therefore, His gifts are going to function in these 2 areas. God wouldn’t create gifts that don’t align with His purpose.
Therefore, we have to realize that every gift has a Covenant function and a Kingdom function. Some of these gifts lean more to one side than to the other, but they all have this split function.
First let’s review the differences in the 2 functions.
1. Covenant Function. This is the gift’s job in building a connection to the FAMILY aspects and the authority given to us through the covenant made with us by the blood of Jesus. It’s God’s adoption plan, His empowerment strategy, it’s the HEART of the matter.
2. Kingdom Function. This is the gift’s role in taking dominion in the earth. It’s how we “take over”, infiltrate, and spread the Covenant principles throughout the earth. Think of the Kingdom as the legs to the Covenant. It’s how it spreads. It’s how we use the covenant promises and our heavenly citizenship to claim new territory for Christ. Let’s not make this overly complicated… what I mean by claim new territory is simply this; how do we get what we got into other people.
Therefore, EVERY gift has an aspect that ministers TO (covenant) people and an aspect that ministers THROUGH (kingdom) people.
Apostle – Challenges individual through personal example and contrast and confrontation to be Holy (covenant), Builds systems, structures, and principles that provide an opportunity for an individual’s self discovery of Holiness that leads to the spread of holiness into those within the person’s world (Kingdom)!
Prophet – Ministers to individuals to help them know what the spirit is doing (Covenant), Builds systems, structures, and principles that provide an opportunity for individuals to self discover how to follow the spirit for themselves. (Basically the Prophet’s build the foundation for how to live out what the Apostle has seen as the blueprint or standard for living).
Evangelist – Ministers to individuals the good news… ie. “you don’t have to be poor, broke, or disgusted anymore” (Luke 4:18) (Covenant). Provides an opportunity for people to repeat what they have received (Kingdom)…”these signs shall follow them that believe! THEY SHALL cast out devils, etc etc” the point being that Jesus first said to “preach the gospel” (the greek word is the same as EVANGELIZE) and then test their level of acceptance by giving them an opportunity to get it for somebody else!
Pastor/Teacher – This gift (and you could interpret it as 2 gifts but they definitely work together closely according to the word) ministers to people to make sure they are in the right pasture and that they stay with the rest of the sheep (shepherd and pastor are the same word in the greek). Therefore, they make sure the people are feeding on the right stuff and that they aren’t getting off by themselves where they can get taken out. They also teach sheep about proper behavior. When a sheep stumbles and falls they teach the sheep how stay on the right path based off of self discovery from the right or wrong actions that have taken place. They make sure that the sheep are covered by the covenant promises, are feeding on those promises, and that they are learning how those promises work in their life (Covenant). They also provide opportunities for sheep to learn how to feed themselves! Teaching them how to feed on the word of God, other people’s resources, and even worship and tongues for themselves instead of just the diet they get at church (we don’t want them starving because they aren’t around the shepherd 24-7). Also helping them discover systems that allow for measurement and learning of/from experiences in their lives. At Gateway, this is the process we use through our debriefings of evaluating what went right and wrong and discovering the root or cause of the result. It’s a TEACHING system that can be replicated in the everyday life of each individual that participates in it (Kingdom)
Together these gifts make up a powerful toolkit for equipping the EKKLESIA to DO the work of the ministry. The problem we run into is that most people only use the gifts for covenant purpose and not for Kingdom purpose, which leads to a lack of apprehension of covenant purpose. It’s a self destructive cycle. Covenant without Kingdom expression leads to religion. Kingdom expression without covenant foundation leads to heresy. When we get them both working together they lead to appropriate Covenant apprehension with Kingdom Expression leading to world domination.
(note: I’ll be at the Catalyst Conference in ATL for the rest of the week with the Gateway leadership team… so don’t expect many (if any) blog posts… I’ll catch you on the flip side all fired up and ready to go!)
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For most people I think the title of this post is a series of long cuss words.
In yesterday’s post I talked about how that the EKKLESIA developing gifts were given for the perfecting of the saints. In our discussion, we saw that most churches only allow these gifts to function from a pulpit… and that really the gifts in their truest form aren’t designed to operate that way. Let’s dig a little deeper today.
Paul said that he was a “wise master builder”. As we would call it today, an Architect. The gifts were given as Building Gifts. There’s the Apostle – Architect. The Prophet – The Blueprint manager. The Evangelist – The Head Foreman. The Pastor/Teacher the Materials manager and Work inspector.
These gifts were given to BUILD culture, systems, and processes that build people. Think of it this way… the Architect doesn’t’ build the house. Just as it’s rare for the builder to design it. So we’ve got to discover what are the systems of thought and the patterns of process and evaluation that lead to successful activation and “perfecting/maturing” of believers.
I’m going to attempt to give a drastically insubstantial overview of some processes, systems, and cultural pieces that each gift brings to the table for perfecting people.
1. Apostle – They bring the heart.
So how is that heart build into systems, culture, and process. One word… FOCUS. As we work to develop, programs, lessons, and training opportunities through systems of frame-working what we are going to teach, we make sure that our heart, our focus, and our main purpose all revolve primarily around attracting God.
For example; at Gateway ministry leadership teams spend more than 2 hours a week building each lesson to specifically target the kids they are ministering to with the principles that God is having us focus on at the time. Together these teams build concept maps (a fancy word for a detailed understanding of the topic) onto paper, they then break the concepts into the bite sizes that they want to focus on, which then allows for crafting the weeks unique plan to specifically teach ON PURPOSE rather than turning into a babysitting time.
This is a multilevel system, because while the teachers are planning to stay ON PURPOSE with the kids, the leaders of these teams are planning to stay ON PURPOSE with the teachers. It keeps the focus on us attracting God and drawing near to Him, rather than turning into a social club that is pretty good at pop psychology.
The Prophet – Connecting you to the spirit world.
This system is easier to see than some. Through Gateway’s weekly opportunities for Corporate prayer people are challenged to follow their spirit and practice walking in the spirit. By creating a safe environment during prayer sessions for people to fail, we are giving them the opportunity to safely learn to walk in the spirit in an environment of support and correction so that as they begin to walk into their ministry they are equipped to be spirit led instead of just stuck with man’s limited logic.
The Evangelist – The Exposer
Our primary method of this is through our pulpit at Gateway (we’re working on other ways but this is our primary source right now). Each week through creative sermons, unique teaching strategies, and revolutionary techniques we are exposing our congregation to truths, practices, and vision from God’s word that challenges them to meditate and practice it everyday. This year we’ve taught everything from series on “Dead and Lovin’ It” (complete with a real casket and a funeral) to Mythtaken Identities (a series about our wrong images of God… complete with the minister being built into a box by the creative team while he was preaching). These unique strategies attempt to expose our people’s soul to the truth of God’s word and have it align with their spirit so we can see radical change both inside and out!
The Pastor/Teacher – The Feeding Specialist – And the Foundation Builder
This year we changed our midweek service from Wednesday Night to Thursday Night. When we did we made a drastic structural change to our adult programming. Instead of a typical “service”, we now have intensive “pastor/teaching” exposure via a new and intriguing format. Our leadership Presbytry has a intimate coaching class with the adults that attend. This includes challenging the adults to build foundations for what they believe (live in class). To research scriptures and to be able to build their own foundation in their lives. With presbytry coaching we have seen significant growth through this format. People who gave mental assent to the Apostolic Message, to Faith, or to “The Kingdom” are now challenged to discover for themselves what they believe and are equipped to be able to defend what they believe based off of that self discover rather than “because some guy in a pulpit told me so”. We’ve done training on “how to use a bible”, “how to study the word”, what is “faith” and what is the “kingdom”. The greatest thing about this is that it allows for measurement of the learning that is taking place in our house and refuses to allow us to believe that our people are “getting it” when they really aren’t! It’s the greatest evaluation tool we have ever used!
We are also currently using experimental programs to test some new strategies and we are seeing amazing results. Using our leadership teams (over classes) as “bible study”/ Pastoring/Teaching groups we are beginning to coach people as never before. Through this format we are developing corporate Bible Study that not only challenges the teachers and leaders to apprehend it in their personal life, but to also then apply it and teach it to the students that they are accountable to. By doing this we incorporate the best strategy of learning; TEACHING SOMEONE ELSE!
All of this being said, there are tons of other systems, cultures, and processes that we use… but that’s an overview of just a few. Maybe we can dig into more in the future. Sorry about 2 long posts in a row… I’ll try to file the down a bit next week to make up for it!
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Gifts are bigger than men.
(warning… this post should be read after the previous 2 post only… also if you do not want to rock the boat, shake the world, or get out of your comfort zone I would also NOT READ THIS… if you are ok with being mentally frustrated, spiritually dissatisfied, and overall overwhelmed with how much work there is left to do… then by all means read on.)
I attended an awesome conference last year called CATALYST (I’ll actually be going to it again next week… but that’s not the point of this post). At that conference, God poured into my heart in a way that I’ve experienced rarely in my life. I left with an entire legal pad full of notes.
In preparation for this years conference I pulled out some of the CDs from last year’s conference and began listening to them. I realized that I disagreed with a lot of the content that one of my favorite speakers from last year was preaching. So I began to ask God, WHY did his session last year mark me so profoundly and now as I listen back to it, It seems almost heretical in places. This is what the Lord said to me and I think it’s significantly changed my view of all of His gifts… He said the difference is that you weren’t listening to the man, you were drawing on the gift. When you draw on the gift I am able to allow you to HEAR exactly what you need to minister to you… it doesn’t matter what he actually said because you weren’t listening to HIM you were listening to ME in him.
As I began to meditate on that, a concept I thought I already realized, the Lord began to unlock some things for me about the 4/5 fold gifts.
1. The gift is separate from the man. Therefore, it can operate in the house separate from the man.
2. The gift is active to the man and active through the man simultaneously and can make defining it confusing.
3. The gift is given to the Body for the perfecting of the Saints… and the Saint’s for the work of the ministry… therefore the focus of the 4/5 should not be directly related to the END PRODUCT of MINISTRY… but instead to the middle developmental product of EKKLESIA training.
Let’s break these down a bit.
1. The gift is separate from the man.
This one is fairly simple. It means that the gift does not require the man to be present for it to operate. Let me explain. At Gateway, Apostle David is the relentless leader of transparency within our house. I don’t think I’ve met anyone who I can trust anymore than him to discover an admit any mistakes he might make and to passionately pursue God over people. That being said, that is what an Apostolic person is supposed to do. They are supposed to be set apart for holiness (we talked about that yesterday). Yet the gift of the apostle is not the apostolic anointing. Stick with me here. Apostle David, by operating in his gift, has built systems, strategies, and culture at Gateway that allow the APOSTOLIC GIFT to work separate from his presence. His GIFT is not what makes us set apart and Holy, it’s what teaches us how to be set apart and holy. For example, His gift challenges us through confrontation, challenge, and vision to live HOLY LIVES! Through the systems of praying in other tongues, mortification, fasting, and our Gateway culture of attracting God before people… his Gift operates in this house to PERFECT SAINTS. By making room for the gift to create systems and cultures then the saints are equipped as believers to walk in an APOSTOLIC ANOINTING … which means that they walk with the smear of the apostolic or that they live life SET APART and HOLY! The GIFT DOESN’T DO IT… THE GIFT CREATES THE TRAINING AND COACHING FOR THE BELIEVER TO WALK IN IT!
2. The gift is active TO and THROUGH the man.
This is part of what makes defining the GIFT from the ANOINTING difficult. As an apostle, Apostle David is not only operating in the Gift of Apostle but he’s also operating in the ANOINTING of the APOSTLE. The gift is the part that is creating the system and the anointing is the part he ministers out of. Therefore, when we start to define apostles we usually look at the part that’s easiest to see manifested… which is the anointing that is present during MINISTRY… but SAINTS DO THE WORK OF THE MINISTRY… not APOSTLES. Yeah I know you’re thinking hard now. Stick with me.
When Apostle David preaches on Sunday Morning he is actually DOING THE WORK OF THE MINISTRY… that is not the primary place that he is operating as the EKKLESIA or Governing Body. That being said I’m sure there are times he steps over from ministry to ekklesia… but we’re talking in usual generalities.
So if he’s doing MINISTRY… he’s actually operating as a SAINT… that has been perfected by the EKKLESIA. Therefore he is walking in the anointing … but not necessarily the GIFT. The gift may be present, but we can’t confuse everything that is happening with being the gift. Think of it this way… A coach doesn’t throw the football… he does all of that before hand. Then the QB goes out and plays the game using what the coach taught him. In the same way the 4/5 gifts operate as the COACH and the players are the SAINTS. COACHES DON’T PLAY!
So therefore, when we start to define what an apostle or prophet or any other gift is, it’s easy to confuse them acting as a “Saint” and them operating from the “gift”. That’s where you have to go back to purpose. The gift develops the saints to do the work… but if you’re doing the work of ministry… then you’re operating as a saint! You may need to meditate on that one some and re-read that paragraph a few times.
3. I think that most people who have a revelation of APOSTOLIC or any of the other gifts for that matter… have a HARD TIME WALKING IN IT. Because of our tradition we think that these gifts were meant to operate from a pulpit. While yes they can totally develop the saint ministering, they are actually meant for the preparation before the ministry. Most churches today function as MINISTRY not as EKKLESIA. Some of the fastest growing “churches” in america are AWESOME MINISTRIES… but have little to no EKKLESIA. While the ministries are great, if you never have the Ekklesia then you are sterile. There is no way for Christ (ministry) and the Church (ekklesia) to come together and create what God has intended them to (Ephesians 5 talks about it being a great mystery that those two are supposed to work like a bride and groom). Until we create culture, systems, and structure that allow for the actual GIFTS and not just the anointings to function then we are still pretty much a traditional church with a new revelation. WHICH IS A GREAT PLACE TO START… but we CANNOT STOP THERE!!! If we want to see the Body of Christ walking in the power she was designed for we have to rebuild her based on a biblical pattern and working according to a biblical structure! We gotta stop taking old wineskins and trying to make new wine fit in them. It’s time for a complete overhaul baby!
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Flipped.
An overview of the 4/5 gifts non-traditionally interpreted
I’ll jump straight to the point. We’ve got the 4/5 gifts mixed up tangled up and greatly confused in their basics because we read through tradition instead of reading for revelation.
Apostles – The word means SET APART… their primary purpose. To set people apart. To drive them towards holiness. Doesn’t matter how great your ministry, if it exceeds your holiness and character it will fail. There job is to challenge you to holiness.
Prophet – It means Pro – Before and Fetes – Events. So to speak or to utter before an event. When you break this down, it basically means that they see into the spirit realm. Their job is to drive people toward being spirit led, and not circumstantially bound. They push people into how to follow their spirit and not just operate out of their heads.
Evangelist – Yeah… it doesn’t mean “to get people saved”. Look up the word and it’s actually the word Jesus used in Luke 4:18 when he said “the Spirit of the Lord is upon me for He has anointed me to PREACH (EVANGELIZE) the gospel (good news) to the poor”… etc etc. We find out that this gift has a ton to do with getting people healed, delivered, EXPOSED to the power of the covenant that God has established. By expressing the Covenant promises they PREACH/EVANGELIZE the kingdom. Most pulpit ministry in America is this. And probably should be this. It’s all about EXPOSING people to the power and presence of God and HIS kingdom. Of course the evangelist doesn’t just expose.. he then challenges to DO. We see phillip not only getting people healed… but then challenging them to “heal others”. Jesus said it this way… these signs shall follow them that believe… they shall cast out devils, heal the sick… etc etc. So basically… heal them… then challenge them to do it for someone else… because them doing it for someone else is the proof that they really believe.
Pastor/Teacher – These two words (see yesterday’s post as to why we’re seeing them together), are poimen (shepherd) and didikailos (or something like that … which means TEACHER). Shepherds are the ones who feed the sheep. They keep them in the right pastures. If one strays from the group repeatedly they break the sheep’s legs and carry it. They are the primary contact point for the sheep and also the primary source of discipline and direction. That being said… I don’t think there is such a thing as a pastor gift working from the pulpit… I mean how can I know you care from hearing you talk… I know you care when you listen. That being said… I do believe that this is tied to teacher. This type of teacher reference here is not the traditional western interpretation of “teacher”. At the time the culture that Paul is ministering to is much more familiar with Aristotilean style teaching than our traditional platonic model. To simplify that into one sentence… it basically means that they were all about the DO then the Understand… than the Understand then the do. So the teacher works with the pastor and evangelist… who challenge you to DO… and then debriefs/dissects what you did, so that you can fully understand the principles that were used in the doing. This is a faith based model of teaching instead of a knowledge based model.
Tomorrow we’ll dig into HOW they do these things… today I just wanted to expose (Evangelize) some of the basic premises behind WHAT their purpose is.
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